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Post by moxohol on May 1, 2023 14:41:13 GMT
***Eugen Sandow died of an aneurysm while pushing his car out of a ditch at 57. I had never heard those particular details, so I looked up his 'wiki'... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_SandowSandow's grave at Putney Vale Cemetery, in 2012 Sandow died at his home in Kensington, London, on 14 October 1925 of what newspapers announced as a brain hemorrhage at age 58. It was allegedly brought on after straining himself, without assistance, to lift his car out of a ditch after a road accident two or three years earlier. However, without an autopsy, his death was certified as due to aortic aneurysm. Unfortunately, many retell the story differently. That’s life?
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Post by Magnus on May 1, 2023 15:45:05 GMT
I had never heard those particular details, so I looked up his 'wiki'... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_SandowSandow's grave at Putney Vale Cemetery, in 2012 Sandow died at his home in Kensington, London, on 14 October 1925 of what newspapers announced as a brain hemorrhage at age 58. It was allegedly brought on after straining himself, without assistance, to lift his car out of a ditch after a road accident two or three years earlier. However, without an autopsy, his death was certified as due to aortic aneurysm. Unfortunately, many retell the story differently. That’s life? Well, whatever the ‘official’ story happens to actually be, it’s all the more reason I’m sticking with my steel clubs, maces, kettlebells & power twisters, and leaving all the blood pressure raising ‘tensing and flexing’ to the fancy posing boyz in their leopard thongs and/or those giant sized diapers they all seemed to be so fond of wearing while showing off their lithe and sculpted fancy shmancy physiques…. 🫡
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Post by mr potatohead on May 1, 2023 19:27:38 GMT
Unfortunately, many retell the story differently. That’s life? Well, whatever the ‘official’ story happens to actually be, it’s all the more reason I’m sticking with my steel clubs, maces, kettlebells & power twisters, and leaving all the blood pressure raising ‘tensing and flexing’ to the fancy posing boyz in their leopard thongs and/or those giant sized diapers they all seemed to be so fond of wearing while showing off their lithe and sculpted fancy shmancy physiques…. 🫡 That's one of the reasons I just breathe freely, and as normally as possible, never closing off my breath even for a moment. I doubt that it raises blood pressure any more than any other exercise that would create the same amount of tension.
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Post by gruntbrain on May 1, 2023 20:30:38 GMT
When performing an overcoming isometric deadlift with a strap, I've finally listened to Macky by not holding my breath while exerting . However when performing heavy weighted pulls, I at times lapse into breath holding; it's been nice knowing you folks.
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Post by jonrock on May 1, 2023 21:16:40 GMT
Great timing for this kind of conversation, as I myself have been thinking of it as of lately. Baye's safety guidelines in the TSC book are really good.
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Post by lardy on May 1, 2023 21:32:29 GMT
Humans are physically busy beings from hunter/gatherer groups to even the most civilized. I think tensing and straining (to a point) is completely natural, holding your breathe for a long period of time whilst straining probably isn't great because it's usually the reaction to pain and stress. I think the old wisdom of everything in moderation applies here.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on May 1, 2023 21:34:05 GMT
When performing an overcoming isometric deadlift with a strap, I've finally listened to Macky by not holding my breath while exerting . However when performing heavy weighted pulls, I at times lapse into breath holding; it's been nice knowing you folks. Biting on a chunk of pool noodle will remind you to breathe.
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Post by moxohol on May 2, 2023 12:56:43 GMT
Unfortunately, many retell the story differently. That’s life? Well, whatever the ‘official’ story happens to actually be, it’s all the more reason I’m sticking with my steel clubs, maces, kettlebells & power twisters, and leaving all the blood pressure raising ‘tensing and flexing’ to the fancy posing boyz in their leopard thongs and/or those giant sized diapers they all seemed to be so fond of wearing while showing off their lithe and sculpted fancy shmancy physiques…. 🫡 I’d make a counterfactual to ur mace & k-bell premises: lifting a weight from a rack or floor always affects the body as a whole with the possible exception of benching & strandpulling. Speaking from personal experience benching or press ups are problematic for me as also with k-bells. Tensing/flexing & isometrics have been less problematic for me because they don’t irradiate the entire body & I breathe naturally. I don’t deny that the use of maces, k-bells & the like have distinct advantages over tensing/flexing for athletic performance. But?....Y’know, Max Sick, the dude who created Maxalding & flexed alot, had very respectable lifting records in his day. He was only surpassed by Thomas Inch who WAS a professional weightlifter & his win was by a slight margin. Max Sick also did incredible strongman feats too like Charles Atlas. Yet, Sick was not a weightlifter nor did he ever consider himself one. He was a gymnast & trained like one. I find ur comments about these flexing leotard wearing girly-men laughable as many of these “posers” u deride performed incredible feats of strength. Many did not use weights as a staple & most were in the middleweight class. Bert Asserati was the exception who at 300lbs could do a 1 arm handstand with ease! I don’t know of ANY dynamic resistance exercise or apparatuses that u endorse that could be safely be used on a stroke or heart attack victim without the risk of an ischemic event. But many are prescribed isometrics & self-resistance exercises that are scalable on the fly. Stroke victims have successfully used hand isometrics to lower their BP at no risk to themselves. They sure as hell don’t train with weights, power twisters, maces or any form of resistance u endorse let alone swim because it would put them at substantial risk. So, ur premises don’t quite hold water other than they are ur personal preferences & stoke a manly image. Jón Páll Sigmarsson 4 time winner of World’s Strongest Man & 5 time winner of World Muscle Power Classic died of an aortic rupture while deadlifting in the gym. I’ve never heard of a Bronze Era star dying that way except from old age & natural causes. Max Sick the creator of Maxalding & the total epitome of tensing/flexing died at age 79 of a likely aneurysm shortly after an arm wrestling contest he won. Dr. Len Schwartz, Mr Panaerobics, also died of lymphatic cancer at age 84. The Great Gama famously pushed & pulled against a tree & won 5000 matches. He finally retired at age 50 & died at 82. BTW, this guy also ate ghee & drank almond butter milk by the gallons. A helleva lot more amatuer & pro bodybuilders, weightlifters & powerlifters have died much younger in recent times then any of those old tymers & the methods they used.
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Post by Magnus on May 2, 2023 13:19:44 GMT
Well, whatever the ‘official’ story happens to actually be, it’s all the more reason I’m sticking with my steel clubs, maces, kettlebells & power twisters, and leaving all the blood pressure raising ‘tensing and flexing’ to the fancy posing boyz in their leopard thongs and/or those giant sized diapers they all seemed to be so fond of wearing while showing off their lithe and sculpted fancy shmancy physiques…. 🫡 I’d make a counterfactual to ur mace & k-bell premises: ... A helleva lot more amatuer & pro bodybuilders, weightlifters & powerlifters have died much younger in recent times then any of those old tymers & the methods they used. Watch a few steel club / mace / kettlebell instructional video's from people who know what they're doing and you'll find that the same proper breathing techniques are utilized and taught during displays of the various movements, whereas the 'tensing & flexing' crowd can't ever seem to agree on an actual concensus for some reason ?...and worse yet, for some reason the 'flexers' tend to disparage the other camps who aren't doing it 'their' way(?). *** "A helleva lot more amatuer & pro bodybuilders, weightlifters & powerlifters have died much younger in recent times then any of those old tymers & the methods they used"...because they are mostly all on steroids and other 'performance enhancing' garbage. They are all also mostly very much overweight and eat highly processed shitty foods as compared to "any of those old tymers".
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Post by jonrock on May 2, 2023 16:41:47 GMT
Regarding Maxick: he was beat by Aston, not Inch, who fled the duel with little Max setting up a match with his pupil (Aston). Aston was close to 8-9 kg heavier than Max. Max lifted in the overhead presses and jerks far more than most who weighted almost as double as him, in both matches he exceeded Aston. Both ended up being friends. Max's best was a 322 jerk at a competition, and a 340 unofficial lift in the presence of Tromp Van Diggelen. His other overhead lifts were as impressive. Never exceeded 147 lb. Take into account the discs were non-rotating, the rules were much stricter, etc... Inch had gotten fat and hadn't the slightest interest in making the weight, he also was weaker than Aston. Smart of him to put Max against Aston.
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Post by moxohol on May 2, 2023 17:46:33 GMT
I’d make a counterfactual to ur mace & k-bell premises: ... A helleva lot more amatuer & pro bodybuilders, weightlifters & powerlifters have died much younger in recent times then any of those old tymers & the methods they used. Watch a few steel club / mace / kettlebell instructional video's from people who know what they're doing and you'll find that the same proper breathing techniques are utilized and taught during displays of the various movements, whereas the 'tensing & flexing' crowd can't ever seem to agree on an actual concensus for some reason ?...and worse yet, for some reason the 'flexers' tend to disparage the other camps who aren't doing it 'their' way(?). *** "A helleva lot more amatuer & pro bodybuilders, weightlifters & powerlifters have died much younger in recent times then any of those old tymers & the methods they used"...because they are mostly all on steroids and other 'performance enhancing' garbage. They are all also mostly very much overweight and eat highly processed shitty foods as compared to "any of those old tymers".
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Post by Magnus on May 2, 2023 19:08:07 GMT
Watch a few steel club / mace / kettlebell instructional video's from people who know what they're doing and you'll find that the same proper breathing techniques are utilized and taught during displays of the various movements...
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Post by stuke on May 3, 2023 13:43:04 GMT
I dont believe breathing for exercise has to be complicated at all, those of us with enough experience moving our body, exercising (which I would expect is the vast majority in this forum) should have enough awareness of our own body to instinctively breathe right for us. I also don't think macebells and clubs should be compared to heavy weighlifting, totally different thing. Whilst hoth can play a big part, I don't think either are optimal for health. Can't see any huge benefit in being able to deadlift over a certain amount or press above the head heavy, low reps. Also not convinced that any type of swinging (kettlebell, mace, clubs etc) is all that, particularly when the movement is ballistic.
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Post by denis on May 31, 2023 5:39:57 GMT
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Post by moxohol on May 31, 2023 6:43:17 GMT
I started hip lifting with arm assists. I use a hip belt attached to an “Exer-genie” & drive UP. It mimics an old time strong man movement that John Grimek included in his training & his physique speaks for itself. This specific exercise complements all that pushing & tugging against the wall. What I like about it is it doesn’t make my face red.
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