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Post by Michael on Nov 2, 2019 12:47:42 GMT
Bruce, You're like me. I find it hard to just sit around and do nothing after surgery or while injured. But sometimes it's the best thing. If You'll going to do the KSHD exercises just be careful with the tension. Higher reps with light tension are the most I would do. Also make sure You listen to Alan, .
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Post by pierinifitness on Nov 2, 2019 13:56:14 GMT
My honest two cents, it makes no sense to be working out immediately after surgery unless you’re feeling bad because you were sandbagging it prior to surgery.
Like Michael and others, I struggle embracing rest and recovery despite knowing, like we all do, that’s when all the good things happen from our challenging and diligent fitness training.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 2, 2019 15:07:07 GMT
Well, I certainly wasn't sandbagging it before my surgery. Had a great workout the day before. Again, if I can KSHD it, and it doesn't put any strain on my groin, then why not?
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Post by Magnus on Nov 2, 2019 17:18:14 GMT
Do I have to wear that special vest? The vest is actually worn to keep people's eyes on the clubs, instead of potentially being distracted by a persons booby's flopping to and fro with the club movements... so YES
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 2, 2019 17:56:33 GMT
.... Again, if I can KSHD it, and it doesn't put any strain on my groin, then why not? You're taking pain meds, right? If so, then you have no body feedback to tell you if you're straining your groin or not while doing simple, everyday common movement. Pain meds just block pain. They do nothing to facilitate recovery. To feel what is happening in your groin, try functioning without any pain meds whatsoever in your system.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 2, 2019 18:42:57 GMT
.... Again, if I can KSHD it, and it doesn't put any strain on my groin, then why not? You're taking pain meds, right? If so, then you have no body feedback to tell you if you're straining your groin or not while doing simple, everyday common movement. Pain meds just block pain. They do nothing to facilitate recovery. To feel what is happening in your groin, try functioning without any pain meds whatsoever in your system. Not this pain, mon ami'. Trust me on this. Even with the meds, I can feel the pain. And it isn't very nice.
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Post by macky on Nov 2, 2019 20:19:17 GMT
Took me around four weeks before the pain went away entirely from both the hernia ops. You have to be careful. It's time to progress to VRT which in your case is Virtual Reality Training. True VRT.
The exercises are performed in a mindful but physically relaxed manner while imagining the enormous weights. Like KSHD in fact, but without the muscular tension. Put enough mental effort into it and you'll derive benefit, no worries.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 2, 2019 21:47:44 GMT
According to Greg Mangan, the originator of VRT, it stands for Visualized Resistance Training. No tension?? Now that would be interesting.
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Post by macky on Nov 2, 2019 22:30:56 GMT
Yes that's right Shen, Virtual Resistance Training.
"Virtual Reality Training" pertains to the imagining of serious weights, like your own KSHD instructions say, but with just enough effort to actually do the movements (your pec dec etc) not with tension.
It's a key method of proper chi kung, not so-called "hard chi kung" and is responsible with diligent practice for bricks being broken with unhardened hands, as an example.
To be done slowly so your mind has a chance of visualizing the arms coming across the body against imagined resistance, physically relaxed but with focused intent.
I once did the beginning movement of Tai Chi 40 times in succession every night, the body and arms as relaxed as possible while concentrating on the movement. The next morning, I would feel as though a truck had hit me, but my nerves were soothed and after about a month, people were asking me if I had gone back to weight training again, my clothes were fitting tighter and I had retained all but max lifts part of my strength. Easily compared because I was engaged in heavy line work at the time.
Most people don't seem to believe in it, and of course that's okay. You gotta do what suits you, but at this time of your Earthly existence there is an opportunity to try it on. You could go through your upper body training exercises, presses, curls etc in a physically relaxed manner instead of tensing as per KSHD, the mind fully engaged in the movements and visuals (without gritting it mentally, it's a "relaxed concentration").
I think Royce touches on it in the "Training Publications etc" section, as true visualized resistance training.
But only if you want to, of course.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 2, 2019 22:43:53 GMT
I never say, I don't believe it until I've given it a fair shot and enough time to really see if it works. So, ok, I'll try it. Tomorrow, Sunday, is my day of rest (original, huh?), so I'll try it on Monday.
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Post by Magnus on Nov 3, 2019 1:13:25 GMT
Yes that's right Shen, Virtual Resistance Training....
Most people don't seem to believe in it, and of course that's okay. You gotta do what suits you, but at this time of your Earthly existence there is an opportunity to try it on. You could go through your upper body training exercises, presses, curls etc in a physically relaxed manner instead of tensing as per KSHD, the mind fully engaged in the movements and visuals (without gritting it mentally, it's a "relaxed concentration").
But only if you want to, of course. True 'Visualization' like what you're describing absolutely works, it's one of the 'secrets' used by high level competitors in all sorts of physical pursuits...
I first heard of this years ago during a PBA telecast where it was said that successful pro bowler Amleto Monacelli "never practiced", at least not in the traditional sense. What the announcer said is that Amleto would mostly practice by just sitting quietly on the edge of his bed and 'think' his way through imaginary games, shot after shot, frame after frame, until in his mind he threw the ball perfectly, each and every time, and ultimately emerge as the winner.... Worked for him!
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Post by Alan OldStudent on Nov 3, 2019 6:50:37 GMT
I never say, I don't believe it until I've given it a fair shot and enough time to really see if it works. So, ok, I'll try it. Tomorrow, Sunday, is my day of rest (original, huh?), so I'll try it on Monday. I'll be fascinated to see the results of your experiment, Bruce. Best wishes for a successful and complete recovery.
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Post by macky on Nov 3, 2019 6:55:29 GMT
I never say, I don't believe it until I've given it a fair shot and enough time to really see if it works. So, ok, I'll try it. Tomorrow, Sunday, is my day of rest (original, huh?), so I'll try it on Monday. Just a suggestion for a visual. Grab the bumper of Mack truck and push the truck away with a vertical bench press/type movement, but with open palms, while just keeping enough in the muscles to do the movement, no more. Then pull the truck towards you in a row/type movement with fists gently (but very deliberately) closed. Go back and forth for (say) twenty reps concentrating GENTLY all the time, then stop and completely relax. Do it every day, twice a day. Slowly.
Do it seated upright if possible, breath out while pushing, then take another breath then pull towards you breathing out. The breaths themselves should be abdominal, and gentle. No puffed up forced breathing or holding the breath. Everything has to be relaxed but mindful. No tension anywhere.
You've got few weeks up your sleeve, so you should begin to feel the energy in your hands after a week or so, building up as you go through your reps. By that time also, when you close your fists preparing to pull back, you should be able to feel the strength in your grip, even though your hands are physically relaxed.
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Post by macky on Nov 3, 2019 7:38:47 GMT
Yes that's right Shen, Virtual Resistance Training....
Most people don't seem to believe in it, and of course that's okay. You gotta do what suits you, but at this time of your Earthly existence there is an opportunity to try it on. You could go through your upper body training exercises, presses, curls etc in a physically relaxed manner instead of tensing as per KSHD, the mind fully engaged in the movements and visuals (without gritting it mentally, it's a "relaxed concentration").
But only if you want to, of course. True 'Visualization' like what you're describing absolutely works, it's one of the 'secrets' used by high level competitors in all sorts of physical pursuits...
I first heard of this years ago during a PBA telecast where it was said that successful pro bowler Amleto Monacelli "never practiced", at least not in the traditional sense. What the announcer said is that Amleto would mostly practice by just sitting quietly on the edge of his bed and 'think' his way through imaginary games, shot after shot, frame after frame, until in his mind he threw the ball perfectly, each and every time, and ultimately emerge as the winner.... Worked for him! Yes Magz. Pure visualization. I've got back more fully into my chi kung after quite some enjoyable time on overcoming isometrics, and I prefer some physical involvement with the visualization, even if it's static Zhan Zhuang type postures.
I've written about it before on the forum. Back in the 90's I performed a static 12-posture yi jin ching drill and after about 4-6 months I broke a handle in two places on my 5" sidecutters that I had been using for yonks, cutting 30-pr telephone cable with one snip. I had not trained my grip in the conventional manner, only visualized the energy continuously being led to the hands which with open palms were only very slightly stretched on the out breaths, on every position for about 8 breaths each.
It also got to the stage where if I was about 15ft or less from the TV and doing my drills, it would often switch off as though I had used a remote on it.
By the way, you're looking damn good in your picture, Magz.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 3, 2019 10:33:36 GMT
Just a suggestion for a visual. Grab the bumper of Mack truck and push the truck away with a vertical bench press/type movement, but with open palms, while just keeping enough in the muscles to do the movement, no more. Well, I'm in luck! There just happens to be "Truck 54" over on the East side of Pratt. I'll see if I can borrow a Mack. I think they have more Peterbilts. Will a Peterbilt work? I'm tempted to try this today, but I have to get going on a couple of orders and do what I can on them. I swear! I've discovered two ways to get orders coming in: 1. Go on vacation 2. Get an operation that requires extensive recuperation. When I had my double bypass 8 years ago, our son came and stayed with us and helped me until I was able to do it myself. This new take on VRT could turn into something above and beyond KSHD. I'll have to come up with just the right name for it. I'm thinking: Schlepping Bubkes
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