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Post by moxohol on Sept 5, 2019 9:23:03 GMT
These new methodologies are interesting to me. There will be folks jumping on this and experimenting I'm sure. But this is how things move forward. I think there is more we DON'T know about training the human body than what we do. Currently we tear a muscle down and it builds up stronger. This is just a furthuring of that, by making the body think things are worse than they really are you get a bigger response from the same external stimuli. I'm not advocating any one of us jump into this by any means, but I welcome true scientific research in these areas. I think for one to write it off is short sighted. REF: www.refinery29.com/en-us/lactic-acid-training-muscle-growth
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Post by billfish on Sept 5, 2019 15:03:56 GMT
is there anything left of this dead horse ?
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Post by MBS on Sept 5, 2019 18:13:09 GMT
Let’s all do the caneguru trot ... Have a a great day all
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Post by Michael on Sept 5, 2019 22:40:03 GMT
I do have a question about these articles. I didn't read all of each article. I know this stuff might be interesting to a few. But this part in the one article turned me off: "By slowing down the blood flow back to the heart". I personally have no interest in restricting the blood flow to my heart, just doesn't sound right to me. To take a chance with my heart just to get bigger muscles, Nah, not for me. If You want to try it I have no right to tell You not to. But simple consistent training works best without the risk. Also, like Bruce said, "time". Make Your training fun and You will see results. I'm not much of a science guy but here are my questions about both of these.
Don't You think to restrict the blood flow to the heart or restricting Your breath would take a toll on the heart? This is an honest question. This is the reason why I breath normal when doing isometrics.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 6, 2019 0:23:29 GMT
I do have a question about these articles. I didn't read all of each article. I know this stuff might be interesting to a few. But this part in the one article turned me off: "By slowing down the blood flow back to the heart". I personally have no interest in restricting the blood flow to my heart, just doesn't sound right to me. To take a chance with my heart just to get bigger muscles, Nah, not for me. If You want to try it I have no right to tell You not to. But simple consistent training works best without the risk. Also, like Bruce said, "time". Make Your training fun and You will see results. I'm not much of a science guy but here are my questions about both of these. Don't You think to restrict the blood flow to the heart or restricting Your breath would take a toll on the heart? This is an honest question. This is the reason why I breath normal when doing isometrics. I wasn't going to comment anymore in this thread, but here's what I see in this. We started with Bob's post and thread title "Hypoxic training". I read some of a few of the links and gave my opinion of that subject. mohoxol introduced a different type of training by using blood occlusion or "Kaatsu" as an alternative to hypoxic training, but this is only effective for limbs, not the whole body. Properly used, I understand it to be acute stress and not dangerous, but I'm not going to bother with it. Pete Wagner used to have videos (no longer on youtube) showing himself wrapping up his legs for blood occlusion, but, if I remember correctly, he later quit because it was a pain in the ass to bind himself up and unwrap when he exercised his legs. Then, Bob links to the one of the bunch that is most reasonably implementable and relevant to me, which is hypoventilation. This is something I've experienced in swimming/diving. Over a period of time in this activity, the body becomes more efficient at using oxygen, I suppose, but, in any case, the result is that breath can be held for longer times the more I do it. I don't see any danger in this at all. I'm not going to stay under until I drown and the stress is also acute which is good. That particular article, though, was not just about hypoventilation, but a specific method of hypoventilation which is holding the breath after exhale while exercising. If I was interested in doing this, that is the one I would do since I don't have convenient access to the environment (like MBS does) to do hypoxic exercise and occluding blood to arms or legs only doesn't interest me at all. I don't remember any mention of isometrics when doing any of these methods of oxygen, blood or air restriction? However, if a person does stomach vacuums (I would call it a self resisted iso), that is the latter hypoventilation method of holding breath after exhale and I do those sometimes. I see no harm in that acute stress either. But, if I had a bottom line in this it is that I don't care. Do it if you like. I enjoy what I do and would rather try to make it simpler than to try to make it more complicated. The stomach vacuums are enough complexity for me.
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Post by Michael on Sept 6, 2019 0:41:29 GMT
Thanks Mikey, that makes sense. Like I said I didn't read the entire articles. Learned something and didn't have to read those long articles.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 6, 2019 0:44:28 GMT
I mostly scanned them and read more in detail if something caught my attention, but there wasn't much in them that did that until I read the one on hypoventilation.
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Post by moxohol on Sept 6, 2019 16:40:42 GMT
I do have a question about these articles. I didn't read all of each article. I know this stuff might be interesting to a few. But this part in the one article turned me off: "By slowing down the blood flow back to the heart". I personally have no interest in restricting the blood flow to my heart, just doesn't sound right to me. To take a chance with my heart just to get bigger muscles, Nah, not for me. If You want to try it I have no right to tell You not to. But simple consistent training works best without the risk. Also, like Bruce said, "time". Make Your training fun and You will see results. I'm not much of a science guy but here are my questions about both of these. Don't You think to restrict the blood flow to the heart or restricting Your breath would take a toll on the heart? This is an honest question. This is the reason why I breath normal when doing isometrics. I wasn't going to comment anymore in this thread, but here's what I see in this. We started with Bob's post and thread title "Hypoxic training". I read some of a few of the links and gave my opinion of that subject. mohoxol introduced a different type of training by using blood occlusion or "Kaatsu" as an alternative to hypoxic training, but this is only effective for limbs, not the whole body. Properly used, I understand it to be acute stress and not dangerous, but I'm not going to bother with it. Pete Wagner used to have videos (no longer on youtube) showing himself wrapping up his legs for blood occlusion, but, if I remember correctly, he later quit because it was a pain in the ass to bind himself up and unwrap when he exercised his legs. Then, Bob links to the one of the bunch that is most reasonably implementable and relevant to me, which is hypoventilation. This is something I've experienced in swimming/diving. Over a period of time in this activity, the body becomes more efficient at using oxygen, I suppose, but, in any case, the result is that breath can be held for longer times the more I do it. I don't see any danger in this at all. I'm not going to stay under until I drown and the stress is also acute which is good. That particular article, though, was not just about hypoventilation, but a specific method of hypoventilation which is holding the breath after exhale while exercising. If I was interested in doing this, that is the one I would do since I don't have convenient access to the environment (like MBS does) to do hypoxic exercise and occluding blood to arms or legs only doesn't interest me at all. I don't remember any mention of isometrics when doing any of these methods of oxygen, blood or air restriction? However, if a person does stomach vacuums (I would call it a self resisted iso), that is the latter hypoventilation method of holding breath after exhale and I do those sometimes. I see no harm in that acute stress either. But, if I had a bottom line in this it is that I don't care. Do it if you like. I enjoy what I do and would rather try to make it simpler than to try to make it more complicated. The stomach vacuums are enough complexity for me. Jump out of a perfectly functioning airplane at 10k feet & u can dispense with hypoxic training. You'll have VO2 max levels to last you for weeks. Alas, it didn't work for me as I passed out.
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Post by Bob50 on Sept 6, 2019 17:42:10 GMT
Moxohol, Just try to do hypoventilation training, as I described before, for 5-10 min before your workout. It energizes the body and facilitates attention/concentration. We can feel that as the better mind-body connection (sharper body feeling), light head, and clearer eyesight during following workout. Probably these effects are related to better brain oxygenation due to the blood vessels vasodilitation evoked by accumulation of carbon dioxide and adaptation to the lower level of oxygen.
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Post by Mr Average on Sept 6, 2019 18:21:08 GMT
Why not just shift things instead? Yesterday for example I moved and walked with 10 pallets weighing 372 kilos or 820 lbs on a pump truck covering 1 kilometre for each pallet. My current bodyweight is 84 kilos or 185 lbs, I did not even break into a sweat or worry about concentration.
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Post by gruntbrain on Sept 6, 2019 20:05:55 GMT
Paging Wim Hof
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Post by moxohol on Jul 17, 2023 5:56:23 GMT
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Post by Johannes on Jul 17, 2023 13:08:43 GMT
Would there be any concerns over repeatedly breathing in the various chemicals from the plastic bag in a moist heated state?
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Post by moxohol on Jul 17, 2023 14:08:25 GMT
Would there be any concerns over repeatedly breathing in the various chemicals from the plastic bag in a moist heated state? Plastic bags of any dimension do not contain bisphenol-A or bisphenol-S. So “NO" is your answer.
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