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Post by billfish on Sept 3, 2019 13:00:21 GMT
Another one that is interesting, "aerobics"......that too was linked with "could", "suggests" etc Yet after all the years since aerobics came into vogue I've never seen anything that said "does" or "will" Hmmmmmm
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Post by billfish on Sept 3, 2019 13:05:37 GMT
Just one fad after another....people fall for this nonsense instead of working out intelligently and consistently Reminds me of the time when watching a TV news show about a guy training for the NYC marathon back in the early 80s, they showed him running on a very busy street crowded with cars, taxis, buses, trucks etc and he was asked why he chose to run among all that exhaust His answer: He was doing his Carbon Monoxide training !
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Post by Michael on Sept 3, 2019 16:17:47 GMT
I'm not criticizing but I don't get the reason for that stuff. Have I fallen for stuff in the past? Unfortunately yes but I hope I have learned from my past mistakes. But I never got these two things. I tend to agree with Billfish, MBS, and Bruce. If you want endurance, strength or both it's pretty simple. I've improved my own endurance significantly. I never needed hypoxic training. With a clean diet and consistent simple training anyone can improve. It's that easy. Look at guys like Ross Eminent and even recently deceased Franco Columbo in his prime. Strong as heck and unbelievable endurance. Consistent simple training nothing more. You want another secret for endurance? , don't rest between your exercise.
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Post by fastfor40 on Sept 3, 2019 16:32:05 GMT
If this is the type of training where the person wears a mask over their face designed to restrict air intake, I know two high school runners training with that thing two summers ago in an effort to improve their CC performance in the upcoming school year. I talked to them after the season, and neither had noticed ANY improvement in endurance or speed from the previous year.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 3, 2019 18:09:44 GMT
If a person is a competitor, I can understand the benefit of high altitude training and living there in that environment, but there is more going on than just AIR restriction. I don't think that restricting AIR only, which contains the same percent of oxygen and other gases as the ambient air, is a suitable substitute for everything that's going on with your body at high altitude though, and trying to duplicate high altitude conditions artificially may not be as good, or even possible, for acheiving training as effective as actually being in that environment. For the average person who just wants to improve their fitness, I'd say pass on it, like others here have said. If you experiment and you think it's doing you good and you like bothering with it, go ahead.
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Post by billfish on Sept 3, 2019 18:29:51 GMT
I'm not criticizing but I don't get the reason for that stuff. Have I fallen for stuff in the past? Unfortunately yes but I hope I have learned from my past mistakes. But I never got these two things. I tend to agree with Billfish, MBS, and Bruce. If you want endurance, strength or both it's pretty simple. I've improved my own endurance significantly. I never needed hypoxic training. With a clean diet and consistent simple training anyone can improve. It's that easy. Look at guys like Ross Eminent and even recently deceased Franco Columbo in his prime. Strong as heck and unbelievable endurance. Consistent simple training nothing more. You want another secret for endurance? , don't rest between your exercise. BAM ! You hit it right on the head Michael.....what better examples are there than Ross and Franco Columbu ? And Mikey made an excellent point here as well This stuff just gets ridiculous
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Sept 3, 2019 18:40:02 GMT
Look no further, friends and neighbors. I know the secret to building muscle, strength, and endurance, and, I will now, in my benevolence, share this secret with YOU....................................................*drumroll, please*..........................................................time.
That's right, my friends - time. It takes time to build muscle, strength, and endurance. Not just a few short weeks, but consistent exercise, week after week, month after month, year after year..........time.
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Post by billfish on Sept 3, 2019 19:14:58 GMT
Look no further, friends and neighbors. I know the secret to building muscle, strength, and endurance, and, I will now, in my benevolence, share this secret with YOU.................................................... *drumroll, please*..........................................................time. That's right, my friends - time. It takes time to build muscle, strength, and endurance. Not just a few short weeks, but consistent exercise, week after week, month after month, year after year.......... time. But.....but......but......
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Post by Michael on Sept 3, 2019 20:37:29 GMT
Look no further, friends and neighbors. I know the secret to building muscle, strength, and endurance, and, I will now, in my benevolence, share this secret with YOU.................................................... *drumroll, please*..........................................................time. That's right, my friends - time. It takes time to build muscle, strength, and endurance. Not just a few short weeks, but consistent exercise, week after week, month after month, year after year.......... time.
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Post by Bob50 on Sept 4, 2019 2:22:32 GMT
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Post by billfish on Sept 4, 2019 15:06:40 GMT
If only Franco and Arnold knew about this.....they could have become Mr Olympias ! The time wasted reading this stuff could be put to better use actually doing some real training
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Post by Bob50 on Sept 4, 2019 15:46:32 GMT
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Post by moxohol on Sept 4, 2019 23:51:00 GMT
Just one fad after another....people fall for this nonsense instead of working out intelligently and consistently Reminds me of the time when watching a TV news show about a guy training for the NYC marathon back in the early 80s, they showed him running on a very busy street crowded with cars, taxis, buses, trucks etc and he was asked why he chose to run among all that exhaust His answer: He was doing his Carbon Monoxide training !
If it works because the results are significant, replicable & relevant then how can it classified as a "fad" or "nonsense"? Fads or trends have no therapeutic value with facts to base them on. It does not apply in this case. I based my prior comments on peer reviewed science (albeit it's mostly in Japanese) & by way of personal experience. If the concept appears ridiculous, I completely agree! But so was Soviet depth jumping (plyometrics) until it became mainstream. I believe your assessment is flawed & I'll state why: My concerns are if the results are significant; can they be replicated; what's the relevance? I will address all 3. The results are indeed definitely significant by needing LESS intensity to trigger the same growth. The same results have been replicated under controlled conditions. OK, brownie points for the 1st two but what's the relevance? REHAB. U don't need to be a medical professional to see the applications for non-invasive medical procedures in lieu of invasive ones. It's a standard tool like any other in a DPT's or doctor's toolkit. Don't take my word for it. Head on over to Google Scholar & verify for yourself. I'm not above spending less time in the gym if it makes my training easier & gives comparable results. I can't do back squats or leg presses but everyone knows u need either for mass & strength. At least with this modality, it doesn't mess up ur HPG axis or cause cancer due to overexpression of some enzyme or pathway like PEDs or supplements can. Unfortunately, it only works on your appendages not lumbar region. I will close by adding that occlusion training (Kaatsu) will not be short lived like a fad by virtue of its ease of application & evident therapeutic value.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Sept 5, 2019 2:09:55 GMT
These new methodologies are interesting to me. There will be folks jumping on this and experimenting I'm sure. But this is how things move forward. I think there is more we DON'T know about training the human body than what we do. Currently we tear a muscle down and it builds up stronger. This is just a furthuring of that, by making the body think things are worse than they really are you get a bigger response from the same external stimuli.
I'm not advocating any one of us jump into this by any means, but I welcome true scientific research in these areas. I think for one to write it off is short sighted.
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Post by moxohol on Sept 5, 2019 9:21:41 GMT
These new methodologies are interesting to me. There will be folks jumping on this and experimenting I'm sure. But this is how things move forward. I think there is more we DON'T know about training the human body than what we do. Currently we tear a muscle down and it builds up stronger. This is just a furthuring of that, by making the body think things are worse than they really are you get a bigger response from the same external stimuli. I'm not advocating any one of us jump into this by any means, but I welcome true scientific research in these areas. I think for one to write it off is short sighted. "...Traditionally, it was believed that muscle growth could only be achieved by using heavy loads. This made sense, since laboratory research has identified that muscle fibers detect mechanical tension, and detecting this mechanical tension leads to a sequence of anabolic signaling cascades that trigger increases in the rate of muscle protein synthesis, and subsequently cause increases in muscle fiber volume, which we record as hypertrophy. However, it has recently become clear that strength training with light loads to failure (which involves a very high level of fatigue) can produce similar muscle growth to strength training with heavy loads. Since light loads do not cause hypertrophy unless performed within a certain proximity of failure, this shows that the fatigue experienced during strength training is a factor that contributes to muscle growth..." REF: medium.com/@sandcresearch/does-metabolic-stress-cause-muscle-growth-f16acd4aff41
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