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Post by Mack Hollins on May 26, 2019 16:53:20 GMT
When You're Young You can get away with alot more stuff like diet. Any new endeavor when Young will also elicit change in Your body. Some people are just gifted and can show improvement with just about everything. Plain and simple, some people do have an easier time getting into shape, whether work or training. It's unfortunate, but different people respond differently to exercise and work alike. I knew a guy that worked his butt off and had a good diet but was skinny fat. I believe someone can get in good shape with just work but not everyone. Age and genetics play a big role in this. Just like some guys can smoke, drink and not sleep but live into their nineties. But let You and I do the same and we may die in our 50s or 60s.
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Post by Mr Average on May 26, 2019 22:09:32 GMT
When I was about 23 I was working construction and spent a lot of time pulling on a chain fall lifting large sections of escalators into place and lifting, carrying and pushing heavy stuff all day long, as well as unload trucks that would deliver parts and equipment. Everyday was hard, hot, heavy work and I loved it My diet was terrible, breakfast was coffee and a buttered roll and lunch would be a "Hero" ( NYC term for sub or hoagie sandwich ) and I drank very little water while working i also used to stop at the bar after work and drink a lot of beer and didn't get that much rest either In spite of this I built up and got very strong.....i probably easily put on 10lbs of muscle and looked muscular as well So, I'm skeptical of all the nonsense that you can't get muscular by doing work and as well as the nutrition part By these standards i should not have gained anything, but I really built up while doing everything "wrong" You are wrong of course, you can only get bigger, stronger or fitter, through working out. Any manual work that people do means nothing, so just go to a gym and do some reps in a stationary position, then rest for a few minutes and repeat as many times as needed. Then take at least 48 hours to recover, before using those muscles again, you may also need, a weight lifting belt, knee and elbow supports and lifting straps.
I have made mistakes, for example when I was doing things with 80lb frames one handed up until about this time last year, I was mistaken for thinking that I was getting stronger over time, when really I should have just given up and found a desk job and went to a gym to workout. But no when I got laid off, I made the mistake of carrying on doing manual work.
Just to think if I wasn't so stupid, I could look more ripped, look bigger and look stronger than I currently do.
BTW I agree with Mr P, you where building the wrong type of muscle.
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Post by stuke on May 26, 2019 22:42:38 GMT
Again, of course you can get stronger and fitter, even more musclular without weights, with manual work alone, but it doesnt compare to weights. As I said, I have known plenty of manual workers who dont look at all like they lift. Depends on what you want, I am not knocking what you do, I am all for real world strength too.
You seem to be taking offense when none is intended.
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Post by Mr Average on May 26, 2019 23:30:16 GMT
Again, of course you can get stronger and fitter, even more musclular without weights, with manual work alone, but it doesnt compare to weights. As I said, I have known plenty of manual workers who dont look at all like they lift. Depends on what you want, I am not knocking what you do, I am all for real world strength too. You seem to be taking offense when none is intended. You are mistaken I am not taking any offence, I am very open minded, to me every form of using your muscles work IMO. As far as I am concerned, muscles respond to one thing that is the stress placed on them, that can be Isometrics Weightlifting Bodyweight workouts Manual Work Resistance bands Odd shape lifting and any other forms of resistance training that anyone can think of.
If anyone disagrees with me, call me out on it, I do not claim to be an expert, but I don't agree that manual work is inferior to anything else.
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Post by Mr Average on May 27, 2019 1:11:25 GMT
So you want big thick meaty traps?
With just an injection of synthol, anything is possible. (rofl) Attachments:
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Post by stuke on May 27, 2019 6:45:49 GMT
Ok, no probs, fair play to you.
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Post by jrmeatplow on May 28, 2019 12:45:42 GMT
Traps and shoulders were the reason I started training. A picture of Kaz on the front of an old PowerliftingUSA magazine was all it took for me. Traps? What traps? thats the one. Snatch Grip Highpulls, strand upright rows and shrugs.
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Post by stuke on Aug 11, 2019 18:02:24 GMT
I know this is a fairly old topic, but I have thought about it a lot over the last few weeks and looked at the trap development of a lot of people in the weigh training game and there really are a lot of people who have very poor upper traps. I appreciate it is all subjectibe, but there are many guys who have good development overall, but a big empty space above the clavicle.
Usually it seems to go hand in hand with skinny necks. Scooby was a good example used earlier in the thread, but Jeff Cavaliere seema to be lacking, though not as much as Scooby does. Once you start to look, you see it everywhere. It is amazing how many lack them and wheb you have good development everywhere else, it looks odd and IMO quite ugly.
I suppose some worry about getting a narrow look, bur I don`t think this will happen due to training traps - maybe if you stopped training the delts and so on... but why would you do that.
I have been working my traps hard for a while now, same with neck. I used to hate doing traps but am finding my main exercise ok - shrugs where I lean forward, with my forehead resting on a padded vertical beam. This allows me to avoid the bar catching my body, alsosts me pull up and back. I also do iaomwtric pulls an anchored chain and bar (anchored to the ground), different heights but usually with my shoulders rolled forwards a little as I like the feeling on the front top traps.
For neck I uze the harness to work back of neck, reps up to 100 and pyramidding heavier, front neck worked with plates on forehead and head off end of bench, laid on my back. Also many isometrics at different angles and duration for the whole neck.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 12, 2019 15:44:16 GMT
When I do loaded carry type exercises, I can feel it in my traps.
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Post by stuke on Aug 14, 2019 20:08:23 GMT
When I do loaded carry type exercises, I can feel it 0lpeter in my traps. Definitely, and carrying things is a very useful exercise.
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Post by jrmeatplow on Aug 18, 2019 18:01:12 GMT
I know this is a fairly old topic, but I have thought about it a lot over the last few weeks and looked at the trap development of a lot of people in the weigh training game and there really are a lot of people who have very poor upper traps. I appreciate it is all subjectibe, but there are many guys who have good development overall, but a big empty space above the clavicle. Usually it seems to go hand in hand with skinny necks. Scooby was a good example used earlier in the thread, but Jeff Cavaliere seema to be lacking, though not as much as Scooby does. Once you start to look, you see it everywhere. It is amazing how many lack them and wheb you have good development everywhere else, it looks odd and IMO quite ugly. I suppose some worry about getting a narrow look, bur I don`t think this will happen due to training traps - maybe if you stopped training the delts and so on... but why would you do that. I have been working my traps hard for a while now, same with neck. I used to hate doing traps but am finding my main exercise ok - shrugs where I lean forward, with my forehead resting on a padded vertical beam. This allows me to avoid the bar catching my body, alsosts me pull up and back. I also do iaomwtric pulls an anchored chain and bar (anchored to the ground), different heights but usually with my shoulders rolled forwards a little as I like the feeling on the front top traps. For neck I uze the harness to work back of neck, reps up to 100 and pyramidding heavier, front neck worked with plates on forehead and head off end of bench, laid on my back. Also many isometrics at different angles and duration for the whole neck. Not sure who Scooby is but I can't stand the look of Jeff Cavaliere.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Aug 18, 2019 20:19:37 GMT
Damn, I was really hoping by page 4 this thread would be full of tips on getting yoked.
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Post by stuke on Aug 18, 2019 22:23:00 GMT
Damn, I was really hoping by page 4 this thread would be full of tips on getting yoked. Ha, does not appear so. I have settled on trap bar deadlfits and the vleaning variagion of shrugs that I do. I like the forward lean with head support, keeps my body out of the way when using a sgraight bar and hits the traps at a better angle. Today I used my trap bar on them for a change, was pretty good. Plentu of sets with weight oncrease ea h set and therefore less reps. Good form and close to failure. I think my traps have actually improved lately.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Aug 19, 2019 14:26:58 GMT
Farmers walks work them well at first, but then they just get used to it. I think maybe if I kept upping the weight they'd keep growing. Another tip I picked up for shoulder health/posture is to try and work the mid and lower traps more. I do this with my yiquan standing thing but another way, supposedly, is to do overhead shrugs.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Aug 20, 2019 21:58:57 GMT
Personally, I think there are two groups of people when it comes to traps. People who can develop traps with no real direct trap work and those who can't. The group you fall into will dictate how hard you have to work at them if you want them. Some don't want them, some do. Personally I like them and think that if you lack them all together you look stupid, but on the other hand lots of traps without the shoulders to go with them doesn't look great either, but at least in that case your neck doesn't look like a pencil.
Here be traps!
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