Mr Average
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Post by Mr Average on May 25, 2019 2:42:54 GMT
Wel, I am in the minority here. I do shrugs as follows: strap around feet, bar at mid-thigh, mixed grip. I "try" to shrug as hard as I can while pushing through my heels, so the movement ends up being something between a shrug and a deadlift partial. Of course iso style, 2 positions: lower as a dead partial and higher as a shrug. Doing heavy shrugs offer multiple benefits: 1) the stronger the neck, the better you can take any hit to the head, because traps and the musculature surrounding the neck act as shock absorbers. 2) shrugs also work the sternocleidomastoids, the muscles of the jaw and the back of the neck; the forearms, lats and biceps; the hamstrings , glutes and hips. 3) do not use straps and your forearms will be fried. Big traps gives the "power" look: Maxick, Hack, David Rigert, Phil Grippaldi, Jamie Lewis, most wrestlers, etc... Lots of bodybuilders move the scapulas to give the impression of enormous traps, but these guys do not need to do that, they are the real deal. Agree about power. Old wrestling coach said don't worry about beach muscle opponent. Like big arms and pecs. If dude has thick traps and large forearms you are in for a battle .
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Post by Mr Average on May 25, 2019 2:56:15 GMT
I think upper trap develolpment is a must. Seen plenty of pics of guys with no traps, Google the bloke known as Scooby for a good example. If you look at most Steve Reeves pics, he has little in the way of upper traps and ok, that may be preferable for some, but not me. I remember someone at rhe gym I used to go to. He was not a huge guu at all, looked like he trained but more like a pretty lean rugby player look. What impressed me was his trap development - he looked powerful and even though his shoulders were not that wide, he looked good. TBH you do not even need to workout to build traps or any muscles, I have no problems with my traps and I do not workout. Here is my previous avatar picture from last year
as you can see I am not the biggest guy in the world, but I think I have pretty decent trap development.
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Post by Trinity on May 25, 2019 6:38:03 GMT
You are fat.
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stuke
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Post by stuke on May 25, 2019 13:02:35 GMT
Harsh. Not sure the point he is trying to make though.
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Post by pierinifitness on May 25, 2019 14:39:32 GMT
My traps get worked and will have following day DOMS when I do volume KB snatch work, like yesterday.
My traps got worked well when I trained, past tense, in the Olympic lifts.
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Post by Mr Average on May 25, 2019 17:28:43 GMT
I am not a body image guy, I am an average guy. That means average, height, weight, bmi, body fat, strength, fitness, muscle endurance, etc.......... according to statistics, so IMO any one who works out should be better than me Mr Average in every way. if they are not why do they train?
You are a workout guy, so you should be better than me in every respect then? Yes I have body fat and I have never hid the fact and do post my pictures.
P.S. Can you please post a picture of your fine physique, so I can see what a workout guy should look like?
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Post by Mr Average on May 25, 2019 18:10:43 GMT
Harsh. Not sure the point he is trying to make though. What I was trying to say is that, IMO you do not need to workout to build traps or any of the muscles in the human body. Doing the right kind of work can give the average person all the muscle stimulation that they need.
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Post by stuke on May 25, 2019 22:37:40 GMT
Harsh. Not sure the point he is trying to make though. What I was trying to say is that, IMO you do not need to workout to build traps or any of the muscles in the human body. Doing the right kind of work can give the average person all the muscle stimulation that they need. All the stimulation they need for what? If you mean that a person can get all the stimulation / development they need from the right choice of everyday manual activities, well I don't really agree - unless they are genetically gifted OR do not want abything much better than average (ie non trained) development. That is absolutely fine of course, but this is a forum based around training the muscles, developing size, shape, strength, fitness etc, so I would assume everyone here will believe there is some merit to training. From my peraonal experience, I was suprr thin as a child, none of my family are big built. Through lifting weights for decades, am I big? No. can peiple easily tell I train, yes. I have done aome pretty decent lifts for my weight, I can and do lift heavy everyday objects sometimes, I do it with no injuries or troubles. I'm middle aged and watched many of my friends get out of shape while I stayed in shape and able to lift, cycle, be relatively agile. There are many who are far fitter and stronger, bigger than me, but I cant complain about what the wrighta have given me.
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Post by Michael on May 25, 2019 22:55:58 GMT
Mr. Average and Stuke, I really like the honesty, You guys put out there.
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Mr Average
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Post by Mr Average on May 25, 2019 23:35:39 GMT
What I was trying to say is that, IMO you do not need to workout to build traps or any of the muscles in the human body. Doing the right kind of work can give the average person all the muscle stimulation that they need. All the stimulation they need for what? If you mean that a person can get all the stimulation / development they need from the right choice of everyday manual activities, well I don't really agree - unless they are genetically gifted OR do not want abything much better than average (ie non trained) development. That is absolutely fine of course, but this is a forum based around training the muscles, developing size, shape, strength, fitness etc, so I would assume everyone here will believe there is some merit to training. From my peraonal experience, I was suprr thin as a child, none of my family are big built. Through lifting weights for decades, am I big? No. can peiple easily tell I train, yes. I have done aome pretty decent lifts for my weight, I can and do lift heavy everyday objects sometimes, I do it with no injuries or troubles. I'm middle aged and watched many of my friends get out of shape while I stayed in shape and able to lift, cycle, be relatively agile. There are many who are far fitter and stronger, bigger than me, but I cant complain about what the wrighta have given me. Well I have had no problems with weight myself, I can work and do work with weight all day long. The heaviest thing I had to lift was a 250 kg cage that had fallen over in the back of the lorry I was driving. All I did was squat down and grabbed the top end and put it up right, I know some leverage was involved. I am 51 myself and have done the weight and workout stuff myself years ago, so I do have some knowledge.
IMO, pulling pushing, moving, etc................... with weight for 40 hours a week can build strength and muscles. Maybe I am wrong and the people who I have worked with over the years where born with their muscles and manual work has done nothing for them.
I can give you some examples of what I do and you can decide for yourself,
Pulling, walking and pushing pallets weighing between 150 and 250 kg, 21 in total to load up a trailer using pump truck. Lifting carrying and moving 20 kg boxes 50 in total. Walking 6 miles a day pushing a trolley loading it up with orders. Pinch gripping small boxes with orders roughly 1 kg per box, 2 boxes in each hand 100 times plus that includes walking with them.
That is some examples in my current job, if you do not believe things like that can build muscle and strength fair enough, I am not going to argue with you.
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Post by stuke on May 26, 2019 6:52:14 GMT
I don't doubt at all that your job has give yiu some good all rounf strength and conditioning, that is not easy work and reminds me of when I worked in a hospital pharmacy store, very similar with miles of walking, pushing cages full of boxes of IV solution, 25kg bags of salt fo dialysis machines etc. Definitely got fitter, I was already lifting weights of course, plus cycling a lot but thus helped my fitmess no doubt.
Me and my friend both lifted, he was a 250 pounds 'assisted' bodybuilder, but the other staff didnt. They could still do the job no problem, though we would load our cages heavier than them for a challenge.
Thecpointcis, none oof them built much in the way of visible muscle, a few were very slim. Same with my friend's former place of work, a piano company. They would repair and deliver pianos, whuch is a very heavy job (I helped with the odd delivery) and he would point out a small, thin 50 something guy who smoked like a chimneu, but would work like a packhorse and could out work anyone else.
A family member is a removal man and no doubtcwould be far better than me at what he does He does not look like he does exercise.
My point is, for everyday use, these jobs will give plenty of strength and pefhaps endurance, but in my experience, they often wont build much obvious muscle
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Post by Mr Average on May 26, 2019 12:09:04 GMT
I don't doubt at all that your job has give yiu some good all rounf strength and conditioning, that is not easy work and reminds me of when I worked in a hospital pharmacy store, very similar with miles of walking, pushing cages full of boxes of IV solution, 25kg bags of salt fo dialysis machines etc. Definitely got fitter, I was already lifting weights of course, plus cycling a lot but thus helped my fitmess no doubt. Me and my friend both lifted, he was a 250 pounds 'assisted' bodybuilder, but the other staff didnt. They could still do the job no problem, though we would load our cages heavier than them for a challenge. Thecpointcis, none oof them built much in the way of visible muscle, a few were very slim. Same with my friend's former place of work, a piano company. They would repair and deliver pianos, whuch is a very heavy job (I helped with the odd delivery) and he would point out a small, thin 50 something guy who smoked like a chimneu, but would work like a packhorse and could out work anyone else. A family member is a removal man and no doubtcwould be far better than me at what he does He does not look like he does exercise. My point is, for everyday use, these jobs will give plenty of strength and pefhaps endurance, but in my experience, they often wont build much obvious muscle I always thought that getting bigger and visible muscle was 80% diet for the majority of people. Do you think this guy would look like this without following a diet?
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Post by billfish on May 26, 2019 13:08:02 GMT
When I was about 23 I was working construction and spent a lot of time pulling on a chain fall lifting large sections of escalators into place and lifting, carrying and pushing heavy stuff all day long, as well as unload trucks that would deliver parts and equipment. Everyday was hard, hot, heavy work and I loved it My diet was terrible, breakfast was coffee and a buttered roll and lunch would be a "Hero" ( NYC term for sub or hoagie sandwich ) and I drank very little water while working i also used to stop at the bar after work and drink a lot of beer and didn't get that much rest either In spite of this I built up and got very strong.....i probably easily put on 10lbs of muscle and looked muscular as well So, I'm skeptical of all the nonsense that you can't get muscular by doing work and as well as the nutrition part By these standards i should not have gained anything, but I really built up while doing everything "wrong"
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Post by mr potatohead on May 26, 2019 16:04:18 GMT
Yes, but, BF, you were building the wrong kind of muscle!
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Post by billfish on May 26, 2019 16:37:42 GMT
Yes, but, BF, you were building the wrong kind of muscle! Oh no mikey !
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